# When using (summation) tag, should we remove (sequences-and-series)?

The tag was created less than a year ago, see "summation" tag for finite and formal summations

Before that, post about finite sums were usually tagged as . Since then the new question have been usually correctly tagged as , and some of older questions have been retagged too.

Use for sums of infinite series and questions of convergence; use for questions about finite sums and simplification of expressions involving sums.

Based on this it seems that typical question on finite sums should be tagged only and not . (Of course, there might be exceptions where both tags are appropriate.) Yet we have many question tagged with both these tags.

I have to say that I am usually careful with removing the tags the the OP has chosen, especially if I am not entirely sure. (So some of occurrences of both tags are due to my retags.)

I would like to ask on the opinion of the community about this combination of tags. Perhaps this will encourage more people (including me) to use the tags correctly. And if most users disagree with the guide given in the tag-wiki, we can change the tag-wiki.

• Should the tag be removed the questions about finite sums and only the tag should be used from this pair of tags?
• To the question in your final box, I would say "yes". (As an aside, the existing tag wiki for sequences-and-series is quite horrible...) – Willie Wong Aug 14 '13 at 7:59
• BUT ... removal of the bad tag is NOT reason enough to resurrect a long-dormant question to the front page... – GEdgar Aug 14 '13 at 13:54
• @GEdgar I do believe that improving old posts (tagging, spelling, LaTeX, ...) is a good thing, but it should be done in moderation. Moreover, we occasionally try to remove some tags completely, which often involves editing old posts containing the tag - perhaps the most prominent example was the (algebra) tag. It took quite a long time to remove it from old questions. – Martin Sleziak Aug 15 '13 at 7:24

When I created , it was with the idea that questions about series are usually concerned with issues of convergence, and that was a distinct tag for something quite different. A question such as

What is a closed form for $$\sum_{i=0}^n i^2?$$

is about a certain formal, algebraic identity. It has a completely different character from:

What is a closed form for $$\sum_{i=0}^\infty i^{-2}?$$

which is about convergence properties of the real numbers. The answer to the first question is an expression, expressing a particular function of $n$. The answer to the second question is a number, or a proof that the indicated series diverges. Someone who said the second summation was divergent would be wrong. But someone who said the first summation was divergent would be “not even wrong”, but deeply confused about what the question was.

Only the first question should be tagged ; only the second one should be tagged . Summations, such as the first example, have nothing at all to do with sequences, and it makes no sense to bundle sequences into their tag. Series, such as the second example, are sequences, and it makes sense to tag them together.

I tried to convey this dichotomy when I wrote the tag descriptions for . Unfortunately, the tag descriptions and tag wiki are very hard to find and to navigate.

In my opinion, it should be very rare that a question should receive both tags. I cannot recall any example for which both tags would be appropriate.

• But how about e.g. $\sum\limits_{n=a}^bf(x,n)$ vs $\sum\limits_{n=a}^\infty f(x,n)$ ? Their results are both belong to functions. – doraemonpaul Aug 19 '13 at 4:40

In fact the tag wikis of and are not properly scoped, and even they are not named properly.

Sequence is an ordered list of objects (the objects can be numbers, functions, etc.), Series initially it refers the sum of the terms of a sequence, but in modern mathematics it even extended to refer the summation-type kernel function. The complicated type of series can contain several summation signs (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamp%C3%A9_de_F%C3%A9riet_function). Summation only refer the operation of sum, the tag has an inappropriate tag name.

The questions about sequences are not necessarily interested about sum of the terms, while the questions about series are often interested about e.g. the existance of close-form, the convergence etc. rather than about e.g. the origin of which sequences, so the tag also has an inappropriate tag name.

Even the tag wikis of the tag and the tag are very awful.

The tag wiki of the tag:

Recurrence relations, convergence tests, identifying sequences

Does't there already have the tag specify for questions about recurrence relations?

The tag wiki of the tag: