# Who's digging up dirt in the close queue?

The close queue contains an extremely large number of old, answered (accepted) and downvoted questions.

Even if these questions should have been closed, some of them now have a good answer worth keeping and should instead be edited (if necessary).

The respective user seems not to have sufficient privileges for voting to close themselves so I can't identify him/her.

@All Reviewers: Please keep an eye on the timestamp and check if the question has an answer worth keeping. If so, please consider editing the question to raise it to Math.SEs quality standards and vote to leave open.

• What's the point of this?
– Pedro Tamaroff Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 0:48
• @PedroTamaroff I have no idea how to bring this to anyone's attention other than this format. Note that the respective user is unidentifiable by me and causes harm to the site in some way (at least in my opinion). Feb 12 '15 at 0:49
• I fundamentally disagree with letting old, bad questions stay on the site simply because they're old. That would be like letting old people rob banks and get away with it simply because they're old. :) (Ok, it's not really the same, but I thought it was funny and kind-of similar.) Feb 12 '15 at 0:50
• 'Q: How many sides does a dot have?' 'A: A "dot" on my monitor appears to be a square comprised of four pixels. Therefore, a dot has four sides.' This is useful?
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 1:02
• The age of the question is not important, the quality is. Feb 12 '15 at 1:08
• You should be able to access the review history even if you don't have reviews left.
– user147263
Feb 12 '15 at 1:08
• Sure. Some might be worth preserving. This is why we have that review, where one can vote "leave open."// I see you edited the post in that sense already.
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 1:20
• It shows though if there are answers, and if there is an accepted one. (In addition if there are highly scored answers there is no auto-delete.) I will concede though that one might miss that aspect. This design however hints at the fact that the answer-based approach here is against the spirit of the site.
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 1:25
• Few users, 500+ new questions per day, half the site deleted. Given that votes are limited, something does not work out here.
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 1:43
• @BillDubuque if "the content" is measured by question-threads, it can never reach "more than half" if the current number of deletion is not larger than the current number of new questions. If you want to measure it in some other way please specify it.
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 1:53
• @BillDubuque you just said "then more than half of the site's content will be deleted" It now seems that you agree this statement at least needs some qualification regarding the time-span during which the content was created. Thus, I would like to ask you to exercise more care when making such claims and to include qualifications as needed right away.
– quid Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 2:03
• @quid ever since Bill's massive anti-deletion campaign started months ago, half the meta questions on the site now contain material on that very campaign ;) Feb 12 '15 at 3:46
• @BillDubuque Neither do we need non sequitur high school debate team objections. It's called satire, and if you think it sounds silly then you should consider what it's inspiration sounded like. Feb 12 '15 at 4:26
• On 26 June 2014, a month after the account 147263 was created, there were questions 298,556 on MSE. Of these, there are 288,898 left. That's a difference of 9,658. Even assuming that all of these were deleted because of FBR's actions (a ludicrous assumption, as anyone involved even a little bit with moderation knows), that's 3.2% in eight months. Since this is a math website, I'd rather not insult you by spelling out the conclusion (compare 3.2 and 50). Feb 12 '15 at 8:33
• @BillDubuque If you don't want people disagreeing with you, avoid making overstatements. It's been a while since this "campaign" started and the evidence is the effect is quite negligible. Most delete questions are not questions we'll miss. People can stand apocalyptic preaching for so long.
– Pedro Tamaroff Mod
Feb 12 '15 at 20:54

## Regarding the nature of the user

From Meta:

Questions that may need closing/reopening appear in these queues. Questions with active close votes or close flags show up in the close queue, and questions with active reopen votes, as well as questions which have been edited after closing, appear in the reopen queue. Along with the moderator tools, this is one of the best ways to find posts that need closing.

Emphasis mine

Thus, it does not necessarily follow that the user has insufficient rep--they may have cast a single close vote and pushed it into the queue.

## Regarding the behavior of the user

Editing the question into shape is the best option.

Personal opinion time! I think that simply "having a good answer" isn't sufficient to save a question--there are plenty of questions that have correct answers (but not uniquely special; for instance, evaluating $$\int\frac{1}{1-y}\;dy$$). The answer may be good, but I see no value in keeping every evaluation of an elementary problem around on the site. Hence, if I see a bad question with an "ok" (but not great) answer, I will tend to close it if I don't have time/energy to edit the question.

However, this is an opinion-based issue. That's the reason why we actually have a close vote system, rather than allowing unilateral closure for average users. I believe it will work itself out if enough people vote early and often.

• If I'm the first one in the review list, the question can't have been pushed there with a close vote, non? Feb 12 '15 at 1:04
• I think it's possible for a person to vote to close a question from the question itself, not from the review list, so even if you're the first person on the review list, it's possible that you're not the first person to vote to close. Feb 12 '15 at 1:10
• @AlexR Actually, it could have been. The review list history only shows the people who have reviewed the post, not the people who have voted on the post. Feb 12 '15 at 1:10
• @JoelReyesNoche Oh, I thought a close vote on the post would show up in the review as well. At least the number of current close votes is a clear indicator, though? Feb 12 '15 at 1:11
• I thought so too. I think the number of current close votes takes into account all the close votes. Feb 12 '15 at 1:13
• @AlexR Yes, the number of current close votes is an accurate indicator. If there are no votes to close and the question is in the review queue, then either it was flagged, or there was a race-condition-like issue where someone retracted their closevote as you were loading the review. I've never seen the latter, though, so that's just speculation... :) Feb 12 '15 at 1:13