# Refiner and Illuminator badges confusing

When I first joined the site, I thought the Refiner and Illuminator badges were impossible. They say "Edit and answer $X$ questions (both actions within $12$ hours...)"

$50$ for Refiner; $500$ for Illuminator.

Is it me or do these descriptions seem a little off? It reads as though one must edit and answer $X$ questions all within a $12$ hour timespan.

Imagine editing and answering $500$ questions in one $12$ hour timespan.

• Editing and answering (with positive score) 500 questions is already a non-trivial task. So in 12 hours, it is indeed unlikely that anybody could do it. Note that only 9 persons have the illuminator badge for the moment. However, I think it is a good practice, when needed, to improve the formatting and tagging of a question when you answer it. (Moreover, since you probably more on the subject than the OP, you're likely to know better what is the appropriate tagging.) – Surb Feb 26 '16 at 10:12
• It is worth pointing out that the current description is already a result of an attempt to make it more clear than the original one. See Description for Explainer, Refiner, Illuminator is unclear on meta.SE. But it seems that the main concern there was to clarify that both actions must be on the same question. – Martin Sleziak Feb 26 '16 at 10:38

## 2 Answers

The word both refers to two things. One would not say

She edited 500 questions, both within 12 hours.

The correct way of expressing that would be

She edited 500 questions, all within 12 hours.

But the description says "both", which can only refer to making an edit and answering within the same 12-hour interval.

• The current description is even stronger than this, it's says "both actions".And "50 questions" aren't an action. – Git Gud Feb 28 '16 at 12:17

For each question, both action should be done within 12 hours for it to count. You don't have do all 50 or 500 questions in 12 hours.

• I do not think this answers the question. I might be wrong but based on what the OP wrote I think that: A) They understand how these two badges work. B) They also think that the description can be interpreted differently (and maybe it should be improved). As I am not a native speaker, I do not fell competent to judge whether the wording of the tag description is misleading. – Martin Sleziak Feb 26 '16 at 10:34