# These so many posts from high-rep users in the VLQ queue, were flagged automatically or they were manually raised? [closed]

VtC reviewers: the central point of the question is the bold sentence. I hope it is enough clear, if not, please drop a comment.

Compared to other sites, I see quite a lot good posts in the VLQ queue. Particularly the short answers or hints of users with high rep contributing useful and HQ posts since a long time.

It is not a very big problem to handle them (1 click), but I became curious, what could be the reason.

Just curious, why is it so? Are they flagged as VLQ, or it is some automatism from the SE engine?

(A strong argument behind the second possibility, that short answers are typically formulas. If some VLQ detector of the SE engine doesn't know about them, then they are random crap for it.)

Extension, clarification: after questions, I show now the aggravated data supporting my experience. It was created by this SEDE query.1

On the horizontal line is the reputation of the owners of the posts having survived a VLQ review, grouped by $[\log_2(\mathrm{Reputation})]$. On the vertical line is the percentage to the induvidual reputation groups.

The important thing is the red circle. As we can see, in the case of the MathSE, we can see a significant jump around the VLQ reviews of the posters with reputation between $2^{15-17}$. In other sites, there is no such "jump" in the VLQ reviews of the posts of such high rep users.

1 The query is parametrizable, I described in comment, exactly how. You can easily compare the VLQ review poster reputation distribution also with any other sites.

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• Can you give any examples? – Xander Henderson Aug 9 at 20:33
• Just because someone has 20k points it doesn't mean they have good answers. There are some notorious users who have amassed A LOT of reputation, despite posting a lot of really awful answers. – Asaf Karagila Aug 9 at 21:14
• @peterh: Compared to other sites, MSE has a bitter history which happens to include some vocal users repeatedly touting various junk questions as "good" (or "valuable" or whatever the adjective of the day is). Thus, emphasizing that some posts are good -- particularly when found in a context where one expects bad posts to be involved -- is a reliable way to provoke a negative initial reaction from many readers. – Hurkyl Aug 10 at 3:16
• Short answers gets into VLQ queue automatically, IIUC. – John Ma Aug 10 at 4:30
• @peterh: If you really "want to know what is the cause of the flags" then why are you keeping it secret which questions you're talking about? That way nobody can possibly give you an answer. How would anyone know how something you refuse to tell us what is landed in a particular queue? You could as usefully ask: "I'm thinking of a particular number. Why is it prime?" – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 15:18
• @peterh: You have exactly zero hope of getting anyone to discuss "the whole phenomenon" as long as you insist on making it impossible for readers to know which phenomenon it is you wish to discuss. – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 15:19
• I really wish I could downvote that behavior more than once. – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 15:20
• @HenningMakholm In my understand, you (and Xander Henderson) would be more glad to talk about the possible induvidual problems of induvidual posts; however this question is about the general phenomenon thus I would suggest to remain ontopic. – peterh Aug 10 at 15:41
• @peterh: Currently the only content of the discussion is your refusal to specify what your question is. You seem to say this is a preferrable state of affairs to you over actually explaining what it is you want to answer in a way that should be easy for your if the "phenomenon" you claim to want to discuss is not a product of your own imagination. – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 15:48
• Can you give some examples of posts from users with $2^{15}$ to $2^{17}$ rep that you think should not have ended up in the VLQ queue but did? – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 16:54
• The two users on the site I immediately would think of first for "posts many very quick, often terse, hints as answers to PSQs" happen to be just around $2^{16}$ rep. Their answers are often technically correct, and it would take major work to improve them, so none of the options in the VLQ queue would apply to them, so I would expect they usually survive. – Henning Makholm Aug 10 at 17:03
• peterh, I think that nobody is disputing the fact that the queue got a bump of "high reputation users' answers". But all things considered, those could be justifiably there or not, and without concrete examples, there's not much to say. It could be someone "new" to reviews noticed those users and flagged his daily 100 flags on their answers. Or it could be someone looking for revenge. Or maybe something else, maybe some automated process. Without examples, we can't say much. – Asaf Karagila Aug 10 at 17:07
• Dr. Sonnhard Graubner wrote many hints, and $\approx$ 32% of His 4700 posts were VLQ-flagged. – peterh Aug 10 at 18:21
• Your original question was about "high quality" questions landing in the VLQ queue. I trawl the VLQ quite a lot, and don't see any such phenomenon. So, without examples, the best answer that I can provide is "I see no evidence of such a phenomenon." – Xander Henderson Aug 10 at 18:35
• With regard to the edited question: there are a number of users who have gained a great deal of reputation by providing low-to-moderate quality answers to poor questions. It is not surprising to me that they might show up in the queue a lot. Note that the nature of mathematics and the openness of MSE to users of all levels makes it somewhat distinct from many of the other sites in the network; in particular, the strategy of gaining XP by answering low quality questions is likely not viable on other sites in the network. – Xander Henderson Aug 10 at 18:39

As @AsafKaragila mentioned, the automatically raised VLQ flags are visible in the VLQ review page. In my experience, these are not shown. Thus, these are mostly manually raised flags.

The reason of these manually raised flags is that a part of the community dislikes the short hint answers, which are given by many high-rep users.

• Can you support your judgement by stat instead of personal impression? – John Ma Aug 11 at 16:31
• @JohnMa Which one? If it is available data on the SEDE, I would happily do it. My only problem with this work is that I see only a negligible chance to reach a significant change in the voting scores. It seems, the community doesn't want to see these stats. Why should I work then? – peterh Aug 11 at 16:55
• That "Thus, these are mostly manually raised flags", can you support that with stat? I don't know why you care about the voting of your question. I don't even understand why you come to the conclusion that downvotes$\Rightarrow$don't want the stats (and instead want your personal impression?) – John Ma Aug 11 at 17:14
• @JyrkiLahtonen Talking about induvidual posts would distract the discussion to the real or imaginary problems of induvidual posts; the focus of this question is the general case. But ok, stats are on the way. Btw, what is the problem with this people? The goal of the site is to answer math questions. Not counting the possibility of academical cheating; making the site an abettor in it shouldn't be allowed in any cases in my opinion, but exactly this problem is solved by giving them only hinting. – peterh Aug 11 at 17:17
• @JohnMa Downvoted questions with only downvoted answers are deleted automatically after 9 or 30 days, which seems practically unavoidable now. Thus my work will be destroyed. In my opinion, the downvotes are not justified. Why should I expend my time to work for the maintenance deletion scripts of the SE, if I see negligible chance to improve this case with it? – peterh Aug 11 at 17:22
• @JyrkiLahtonen If a question was already asked, it should be closed as dupe. Downvoting and VLQ flagging of the answers serves different goals, these are for the bad answers and not for the ones answered a duplicate question. Doing this because the question is a dupe, is harmful for the site, both for the database and for the community (and it is against the rules, too). – peterh Aug 11 at 17:32
• @JyrkiLahtonen The VLQ queue is typically very small on weekends, I've found only a single question in it and no answers. Your activity log shows 4 VLQ reviews in the last hour, you voted to close all of them, all of them were questions and no answers. – peterh Aug 11 at 17:40
• @JyrkiLahtonen Nothing, because this discussion is about answers and not from questions. You voted only questions. – peterh Aug 11 at 17:43
• @JyrkiLahtonen Right, but this discussion is about the answers of high-rep users, which are massively flagged as VLQ. – peterh Aug 11 at 18:53
• @JyrkiLahtonen I repeat. This question is about VLQ flagged answers, you reviewed 4 questions. Thus, the argument "I am not seeing this all" is irrelevant here. – peterh Aug 11 at 22:56