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Why when a user account is suspended, is suspended in both math.meta.stack and math.stack?

That seems like double punishment for only one fault.

If you are a good contributor math.stack and for some reason you break the rules on meta, then you should be suspended only on meta, me thinks; and vice versa. Or why double suspension?

Both are clearly related but they are totally different.

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    $\begingroup$ Are there rules that are different on the main site to the meta site? If not, aren't you breaking the rules on both when you break them on one? $\endgroup$
    – postmortes
    Commented May 22, 2019 at 18:06
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    $\begingroup$ They can still use meta, i.e. to complain if they feel that their suspension was unwarranted. $\endgroup$
    – For the love of maths
    Commented May 22, 2019 at 18:48
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    $\begingroup$ FWIW I can only think of one instance where a user has been suspended exclusively for their behavior on meta. It's almost always either main or both. $\endgroup$
    – Alexander Gruber Mod
    Commented May 22, 2019 at 20:56
  • $\begingroup$ @MohammadZuhairKhan I didn´t know.. I checked the list of suspended users and could see that for some of them this applied. $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 22, 2019 at 23:04
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    $\begingroup$ There's a list of suspended users??? $\endgroup$
    – Gerry Myerson
    Commented May 22, 2019 at 23:19
  • $\begingroup$ @postmortes one could be rude here but always keep the composure when one is on main, so one should not be suspended on both $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 1:16
  • $\begingroup$ @lsa may I know how to find the list? $\endgroup$
    – Arctic Char
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 1:50
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    $\begingroup$ @ArcticChar yes. I knew because of the answer Martin gave here math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/30273/… click on any link Martin provided and redirects you to a page where there are a lot of querys and then you need to search for something like 'suspended users' and there will show many links about it, click one of them and then click on the search button, IIRC and you're done. $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 1:57
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    $\begingroup$ I suppose @Isa is talking about various SEDE queries trying to find suspended users such as Finding possible suspended users, Suspended users or Potentially suspended users. $\endgroup$
    – Martin Sleziak
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 3:46
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    $\begingroup$ @Isa that doesn't answer my question I'm afraid: I asked you if there were rules different from one site to another. It's always easy to say that if a rule applies to all sites in a network then breaking it anywhere results in punishment everywhere -- when you start making exceptions you then have to start arbitrating. $\endgroup$
    – postmortes
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 5:30
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    $\begingroup$ Related posts on Meta Stack Exchange: Should suspensions on parent sites follow through to meta sites? and Please give suspended users an option to explain their side of the story on the meta site. $\endgroup$
    – Martin Sleziak
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 10:30
  • $\begingroup$ @MartinSleziak thanks Martin for the new links $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 17:32
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    $\begingroup$ @Isa a more accurate analogy would be that you start to eat in class and get suspended from the school for three days; so you would be. You've broken a school rule, not a class rule. $\endgroup$
    – postmortes
    Commented May 23, 2019 at 18:09
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    $\begingroup$ @Isa: suspending you from algebra class sends the message that you shouldn't break rules in algebra, but the desired message is that you don't break rules in school. The transgression is against the school rule, so it's not inappropriate for the punishment to be at a school level. Would you also argue that since gum is smaller and less messy than an apple that you should be suspended for less time for chewing gum than for eating an apple? What about a three-course meal? $\endgroup$
    – postmortes
    Commented May 24, 2019 at 4:52
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    $\begingroup$ @postmortes well I think we will never agree $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 25, 2019 at 3:08

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The accounts meta and main are in a way two sides of the same coin, one cannot have one without the other. They are also 'linked' in other aspects, e.g., display name.

Is this good? Well, it certainly could be different. It was different in the old days on SO and MO. The meta was separate, and the main Meta exists as a standalone site to this day.

Two arguable reasons for always suspending in parallel.

  • Users suspended on main might turn to meta to argue their case right away. This might seem desirable. But in practice it often ends very badly.

  • Users might not care enough about meta per se and the risk of getting suspended only on meta might not be a deterrent.

But certainly one can argue in the other direction too. Either way, currently it's not possible to suspend separately and I doubt anyone will care enough to change it.

Note though that a suspension on one SE site does not carry over to other SE sites. Only in very rare cases is an account suspended network-wide, that is, everywhere except on the main Meta.

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    $\begingroup$ I don't think that's fair. The second bullet, what if is the opposite case. Say for instance you get suspended on main for breaking the rules (1 month) and since currently it's not possible to suspend separately you won't be on meta neither; that wouldn't be fair at all since you are a featured contributor on meta. $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 16:21
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    $\begingroup$ What is a "featured contributor of meta" and how is this relevant? $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 18:15
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    $\begingroup$ A good contributor. Why would we want a good contributor (helps others) on meta to be suspended? $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 18:34
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    $\begingroup$ What if some is suspended because they got upset because a questions of them was closed? Why would we not continue to allow to give answers where this problem did not and cannot occur? Somewhere one draws the line. And it's drawn where it is drawn. As I said there is no super-compelling reason for thing being as they are, yet neither is there one for changing it. $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 19:50
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    $\begingroup$ I don't understand your questions, specially the 2nd, I don't know what you mean. \\ 'yet neither is there one for changing it.' 😏 $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 22:25
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    $\begingroup$ Sorry the phrase got a bit garbled. If somebody gets suspended for complaining to aggressively about the closure of one of their questions, why do we suspended them from answering questions, we could just suspended them from asking, right? $\endgroup$
    – quid
    Commented May 26, 2019 at 22:46
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    $\begingroup$ no. They should get suspended from both: asking and answering. The difference remains on the sites, main and meta. Anyway since you, a moderator, said that you doubt anyone will care enough to change it, then I think there is no point on continuing talking about it. $\endgroup$
    – user486983
    Commented May 27, 2019 at 1:16

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