Timeline for Discussion around voting on what words should be on the HNQ block-list
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| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:34 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @ZubinMukerjee: (1) This is one of the reasons I want "this" filtered out, yes. (2) Yes, good questions can be eligible if they have their titles edited to be informative and good. So we want to create a filter that catches mostly bad titles. We are allowed to showcase at most 5 questions at a time, why not insist that every details in those posts is perfect? That starts with the title. | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:32 | comment | added | Zubin Mukerjee | I guess the question is: What proportion of [questions with bad titles] that are also [questions that get enough votes to make HNQ] are also [questions that should not be on HNQ]? I went to the top questions of the month and found a few with terrible titles, for example this one: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3602668/… To me, this seems like a question that is a good question, but has a terrible title ... maybe I am misunderstanding the point of HNQ - are good questions with bad titles supposed to be excluded from there? | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:12 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @ZubinMukerjee: That is an extremely naive approach to how the site is actually being run. Low quality questions get votes all the time; people tend to forget to edit titles. | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:09 | comment | added | Zubin Mukerjee | Here is what I am thinking: Most poorly titled questions already will never make it to HNQ, because they won't receive the votes and attention that are necessary to make it to HNQ. I suspect that a poorly titled question could only make it to HNQ if it was exceptionally interesting. In that case, the best solution is not to disallow that interesting question from HNQ, but rather to revise its title. | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:01 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @Zubin: That is a discussion for a different thread. But you should perhaps suggest a better way to deal with this when you bring it up. | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 22:00 | comment | added | Zubin Mukerjee | Disallowing questions based on keywords seems like an extraordinarily clunky method | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 21:55 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @ZubinMukerjee: If we want question on the HNQ to be descriptive and informative, then to some extent the discussion should overlap with whether or not you should include the word "help" in the title of a question. | |
| Apr 16, 2020 at 21:30 | comment | added | Zubin Mukerjee | The discussion is about whether "help" in the title should disqualify a question from being in HNQ. The discussion is not about whether question writers should include "help" in their titles. | |
| Apr 15, 2020 at 3:47 | comment | added | Xander Henderson Mod | What context or information is conveyed by the words "Help me to" in the title? They are asking a question on MSE, so it should be obvious that they require help. How is the title in any way improved by adding those words? | |
| Apr 15, 2020 at 2:55 | comment | added | user486983 | @XanderHenderson Is the second better then.. hmm well it is but for some people. I think someone hasn't seen my first comments (with the link) | |
| Apr 15, 2020 at 2:25 | comment | added | Xander Henderson Mod | @Magic_Isa Perhaps both are okay, but the second is better. An even better title might be something like "Understanding Folland's definition of a Borel measurable function." If you eliminate uninformative words like "help", you get a few extra characters to add more context. | |
| Apr 14, 2020 at 17:39 | comment | added | user486983 | @AsafKaragila Well, some people see it like unhelpful in the title as 'tells nothing'; for some others is the opposite. "Help me to understand the definition of measurable function" vs "Understanding the definition of measurable function", which one would one pick? // both are ok | |
| Apr 14, 2020 at 16:52 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @Magic_Isa: Yes, but how is the word "help" is helpful to me, as a reader, when I see a title with the word "help" (with a few obvious exceptions such as "how many permutations of the word HELP start with H?"), how is this title conveying any information? And wouldn't it be better if the HNQ had questions with better titles instead? Wouldn't it be great if users like yourself would simply edit the title when they see "help" so that the undoubtedly great question therein can have a great title too? | |
| Apr 14, 2020 at 16:44 | comment | added | user486983 | @AsafKaragila It's also unfair, actually very very unfair. IIRC you said that there's not much that one could do to fix the MathJax thing. But let's focus on 'help' word here, yes? | |
| Apr 14, 2020 at 16:28 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | But it's fair to not allow a good question to be on the HNQ just because it's "banned" due to having MathJax in the title? | |
| Apr 14, 2020 at 16:27 | comment | added | user486983 | I see your point. Yes, there are good and bad questions titles with the word 'help'. It's just that, for me, isn't that fair to not to allow a good question to be on the HNQ just because it's "banned" due the inclusion of the word 'help' in their title. | |
| Apr 13, 2020 at 20:27 | history | edited | amWhy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 13, 2020 at 20:26 | comment | added | amWhy | What if the title states nothing but "Please Help with this!", Magic_Isa ? It seems you are focusing on locating only the very few exceptions, and otherwise turning a blind eye to the many abuses and over uses of terms proposed for the HNQ block-list. As @Asaf suggested in his original post about filters for the HNQ, it is far easier to edit the title(s) of an exception or two, than to manually have to remove hundreds of other poor posts with very poor titles. | |
| Apr 13, 2020 at 18:12 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | Titles should describe the question. Not the motivation, source, or otherwise emotions related to the question. Yes, you need help. This is why you're asking a question. This is entirely irrelevant to the question to begin with. | |
| Apr 13, 2020 at 17:54 | comment | added | user486983 | There's nothing wrong with this word, this could be allowed in the HNQ. Although the format and guidelines of this site is question, answer and Bye. It's very natural to say 'help', 'help me', etc. along with a well written question | |
| Apr 13, 2020 at 17:50 | comment | added | user486983 | See for example, this extremely famous question Help with a prime number spiral which turns 90 degrees at each prime | |
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